JUDGE ROBERTS is GAY?
There has been a lot of curious circumstantial evidence suggesting that Judge Roberts might have some homosexual leanings.
The fact that he didn't marry until his 40's (and then adopted a couple children) is curious, but of course it doesn't prove any sodomite proclivities.
The fact that he worked for the lavendar lobby in passing the most important sodomite rights bill in history (one that puts our personal homes, churches, and businesses under the control of the queers) is a lot more serious of a matter. It doesn't mean that Roberts himself is a homosexual, but he certaily supported the queer cause in a huge way.
But the homosexual accusations are getting closer to home. This website claims that Robert's adopted children are queer:
http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2005/08/judge_roberts_k.html
This is an anti-Bush site and contains a lot of mockery, but dozens of sources are picking up on this claim (as any internet search will reveal), suggesting it is not simply a spoof.
But that's not the worst of it. Texe Marrs comes right out and pins the tail on the doggy (sodomites are also called dogs in the Bible):
http://www.texemarrs.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=catalog&Product_Code=3305&Category_Code=This+Months+Power+of+Prophecy+Radio+Programs
Homosexual barbarian Judge John Roberts, Jr., has been nominated by President Bush for the U.S. Supreme Court. Roberts became infamous for supporting homosexual organizations. He was such an enthusiastic supporter he worked for the queers pro bono (at no charge). ... Among those outed as queers and homos: ... John Roberts, Jr.—Bush’s nominee for Supreme Court Justice (Surprise!)
You'll have to get the cassette if you want his documentation, but Bro. Marrs doesn't make claims he can't defend, since the IRS has already gone after him (unsuccessfully) in the past.
posted by T.G. | 2:18 PM
17 Comments:
This site and your posts must be a joke. Roberts is gay and your evidences is based on a parody humor site and the fact that Roberts started a family in an unconvential manner (married their 40's and adopted children). What exactly does it require for a conservative of your nature to be satisfied? Clearly it is not mearly having a Republican presidency, House, Senate, majority of state govenors, majority of state offices as well as much of the judiciary. Is there no room for anyone that does not aspouse completely and totally to your ideology? Jesus never had children, never married...I read a rumor on some websites that suggests he was gay!!!
<< Clearly it is not mearly having a Republican presidency, House, Senate, majority of state govenors, majority of state offices as well as much of the judiciary. >>
And despite all that GOP control, we still have abortion on demand, we still have gov't favoring the sodomite agenda with more homosexuals in gov't that ever before, we still have infringments on our right to bear arms, we still don't have the religious liberty we once had, we are more immoral than ever, the environmental wackos still run the show, the economy is still poor, medical costs are ever higher, gas prices are astronomical, crime is still rampant ... do you need me to continue or is that enough?
With all that GOP control the past four years (or more), you'd think American should be a virtual Eden by now.
What I want is for conservatives to actually be conservatives, not to conserve the Democrat's mess.
What if all these examples you tally off (without any supporting facts -
T.G. - You list some general examples of why you are not satisfied with having Republicans controlling nearly every component of government. Please give me some specific examples of the fundamental breakdown of the United States and how they are directly attributable to only liberals/democrats.
Abortion rights still exist, however they have been significantly curtailed and over 60% of the USA support some form of abortion rights. The sodomite agenda? What is the sodomite agenda and how can you speak for it? As a law obeying citizen I can easily purchase a gun anytime I wish and I am glad someone is looking to make sure that terrorists are not buying them. When was the last time your church was raided by the government or a group of liberals and you were told you could no longer worship? Immoral is relative....seems like Rupurt Murdock knows where to make the money and if you describe what is on FOX for example, then you have a huge problem since most of America sucks up immorality (both right and left). The last three examples (poor economy, medical and gas prices) are the most easily effected by the Republicans since they have had majority power for the last two election cycles - which therefore heavily suggests they are not using good governance policy. Anyhow get back to me if you can address any of these issues - and please try not to give me any line about 'I heard it on Rush Limbaugh'. Give me some personal examples how you have been effected in Oshkosh, WI.
There is a serious persecution complex among some of the religious conservative fundamentalists which is on one hand absurd and on the other frightening. The life you construct in your head is vastly different than the one you actually are living in. I grew up in Oshkosh, and I never knew a homosexual, nobody every came for my dad's guns, never once did any of my female relatives get coerced into having an abortion by liberals. The Lutheran church I attended was perfectly functional, and well liked in the community and I doubt Oshkosh will ever be listed top 10 immoral places in the USA.
<< Abortion rights still exist, however they have been significantly curtailed >>
Curtailed? Any teenybopper can have her baby killed by abortion at any time during her pregnancy without her parents ever knowing she got condoms from the school nurse, much less had sex, got pregnant, and killed the baby - all done with tax dollars taken from her daddy's paycheck.
<< and over 60% of the USA support some form of abortion rights. >>
So? If 60% of the USA supported slicing homosexuals bit-from-bit like they do when killing babies by abortion, would that make it right?
<< The sodomite agenda? What is the sodomite agenda and how can you speak for it? >>
Laws giving homosexuals special privileges, like the right to marry someone of the same sex. Currently, they have the same rights as anyone - the right to marry someone of the opposite sex (that's what marriage IS). They want special privileges.
<< As a law obeying citizen I can easily purchase a gun anytime I wish >>
I can tell you haven't tried lately or you'd be aware of waiting period laws. You'd be aware of many types of guns you can't buy, and restrictions on clips and ammo.
However, buying a gun is not all there is to the right to KEEP and BEAR arms. If someone BREAKS into my home and I shoot him, I risk being sued by the criminal.
<< and I am glad someone is looking to make sure that terrorists are not buying them. >>
If law-abiding citizens were armed, terrorists would be stopped cold. The 9-11 terrorists didn't use guns - they used CARDBOARD CUTTERS! If just ONE passanger had a gun, 9-11 would not have occurred.
<< When was the last time your church was raided by the government or a group of liberals and you were told you could no longer worship? >>
I've been accosted for preaching in public. I've had friends arrested for preaching what the Bible says about sodomy.
<< Immoral is relative.... >>
No it's not. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Otherwise, tell me why rape is wrong. Why is it wrong to dismember liberals? How are right and wrong determined?
<< most of America sucks up immorality (both right and left). >>
I thought immorality was relative?
Unfortunately, you are right though, America is becoming a cesspool.
<< Give me some personal examples how you have been effected in Oshkosh, WI. >>
The govermnent has a hand in everything I do. From buying a house, doing plumbing, electrical work, siding it, going to the doctor, farming, hunting, fishing, driving, education, what color trash bags to use and what kind of trash to put in them, flying, preaching, job promotions, and on and on.
<< I grew up in Oshkosh, and I never knew a homosexual >>
Was that in the 1950's or the 1850's? Who did you think hung around "Rainbow Park"? Ever hear of Queers on the Water (QH2O)? They have held rallies all over the Fox Valley. Michael Kahl and Tony Palmeri are among their ringleaders.
<< nobody every came for my dad's guns >>
They did just a few months ago. A cop was shot at and they started confiscating guns of all the neighbors. They went house-to-house, even into a few where people were alseep or not home. It made national news. I had a letter-to-the-editor published in the Oshkosh Northwestern about it. The letter was also circulated by Wisconsin Gun Owners. You must've been asleep.
If you do not know how to do an internet search, I can probably get the URLS to verify, but I'm not convinced you want to know the truth.
I was hoping to have an exchange of thoughts and ideas. I was drawn to this sight when I noticed you were blogging from Oshkosh, WI, the town I lived in from birth until I completed college at UWO (1970-1994). I was intrigued by your opinions but was hard pressed to identify how you felt so betrayed by the current state of affairs (i.e. Bush's brand of Conservatism betraying the GOP ideals). I am also generally drawn to have a better understanding how society impacts you so negatively on a daily basis.
I apologize for not being precise enough with some of my questions. I realize that government plays a role in nearly every aspect of life (permits to fish or improve your home, a licence to drive or fly, government sponsored education, insurance and health care - Social Security, Medicare etc.). I understand these are some tangible effects of government you realize in Oshkosh, WI and I interpret that you are angry with all these rules and regulations and they negatively impact your daily life. Is this really true? Do you wake up each morning and not enjoy the glorious sun rise, but instead fume with anger because you had to have a permit to fish, or a licence to drive, or need to use a blue bag to dispose of your plastic?
Then of course there are the intangible boogey men that seem to give you alot of trouble. The sodomites, the abortionists, the liberals. My original intent was to ask how they directly impact your day to day life. Do the sodomites visit you daily and force you into any unseemly act? Are their gangs of abortionists roaming the streets of Oskhosh rounding up pregnant women? Or is it simply their presence that drives you to anger and fear?
From my perspective, the America I live in day to day is not forcing me to be gay. America never forced any female in my family to abort their unborn child. And America never forced me to be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan or Witch. The only thing that America requests of me is to acknowledge the existance of her many divergent peoples and know that she will do her best to protect ALL of them. I can either choose to interact with these diverse peoples (learn from them or preach to them), or I can choose to shut my door (to the lost sheep) and be peaceful knowing I am practicing what I preach.
Again, ultimately I desire to understand your plight since I seemingly do not share your troubles. You are welcome to dismiss my curiousity and be convinced I do not want to know the truth. I do hope you find peace and happiness in life and Thank you for these discussions.
Teno and myself are not exactly on the same page when it comes to politics. In fact, we have had some disagreements on an assortment of issues. With that said, President Bush is a conservative like Ted Kennedy is sober. This conservative President has spent WAY more than Slick Willy. This is also the guy who had that Teddy Kennedy write the education bill. Anyway, President Bush, a Republican ran Senate and House have not held up to what they have campaigned on. To be more accurate, they became liberals the minute they got in office.
The big concern shouldn’t be the Marxist uprising in Oshkosh. Your big concern should be where you are going when you die. Do you know where you are going when you die? If you were to die today, would God allow you into His kingdom? If you are like I was, I didn’t know what the road was to heaven. I just assumed that I was a “good” person I would go to heaven. I did what was moral in my eyes. I never killed anybody or anything “big”. I even reflected from time to time, but never had anyone share with me the Truth. The Truth is the Lord Jesus Christ. (John 14:16 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
No “good works” will get you to heaven. Being a “good person” won’t get you to heaven. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can get you there. The Bible says in Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”. That would mean you and I have sinned. That would mean everyone has sinned, right? Well, what is the penalty we pay for not pleasing God?
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Well, that is a pretty hefty penalty for us displeasing God. Do you know that death also means a life separated from our Creator? (In other words damnation to hell plus our physical death.) The good news comes at the end of the verse: “the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ”. As John 14:6 told us that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus, so does Romans 6:23. How do we use our Lord to do this?
Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” This means that you need to ask him for forgiveness. A few verses before states that “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” You need to confess your wickedness to the Lord. You need to ask Him to save you. When you do this, then start to believe in the commandments of the Bible. You will have a full understanding of where we are coming from.
Until then you will be as Proverbs 12:15(a) says: “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes”.
<< To be more accurate, they became liberals the minute they got in office. >>
Here's where you're wrong. They were liberals, wolves in sheep's clothing, BEFORE they got into office. I warned everybody ahead of time, but was ignored or mocked. Now you all know better. However, when I warn you all next time, you'll ignore or mock again, then, when it's too late again, you'll know better again.
Professional wrestling is not as phony as Washington politics of either major party.
t.g. you are a crazy right wing religious nut.
You write:
Let me give you a more direct example. I own some rental properties. The pro-homosexual law Roberts worked on forbids me to "discriminate". Why? It's MY house and MY business. *I* paid for them. *I* take any loss incurred. I should be able to let whoever I want live in MY house for whatever reason I want (BTW, I'm safe with the law, I've had blacks, unmarried couples, and single mothers among my tenants).
How would renting to a homosexual make you incur a loss on your rental property? You right wing people that are so gung-ho about letting the free market trample on the rights of workers no longer believe in the free market when a gay guy can pay you market rate for your property.
You write that another post about "imploring you to trust Christ shook you up," but I have news for you, atheists and other non-Christians do not get shook up just because a Christian mentions their belief system. When JSP said he did not want your any part of your "truth" he was implying that there is no truth there at all. Your blind religious fervor is no different than that of any other religious fundamentalist, whether Christian, Muslim or other.
What gets me is that you people don't realize that you are exactly the same as the fundamentalist Muslims that you denounce and make war on. You read one book and, they read a slightly different but similarly flawed book. You are illogical at best and dangerous to free thinking people. You justify everything by your idea of an afterlife and your rendezvous with this magic Jesus spirit... so much like a suicide bomber that wants his 40 virgins in the Islamic heaven.
This is in response to t.g.'s comments below:
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<< I pointed out that in the last 5+ years of the Bush administration that one would be hard pressed to identify any nominations or appointments who were not solidly Conservative or Neo-Conservative. >>
I would challenge you to show me one who is a true conservative in the Bush administration. The Bush administration supports Roe vs. Wade, the Brady bill, illegal immigration, the sodomite agenda, and every other liberal position. They may sometimes TALK conservative, but when the rubber meets the road, the liberal agenda is enacted.
If you check the nearly-30 items on Judge Roberts, you'll see he is not at all conservative. Even is you dispute a few of the charges, that stil leaves 25 undisputed. Check http://robertsrules.blogspot.com and see for yourself.
<< Finally I asked him, how his life in Oskhosh Wisconsin is directly effected by the sodomites, >>
Let me give you a more direct example. I own some rental properties. The pro-homosexual law Roberts worked on forbids me to "discriminate". Why? It's MY house and MY business. *I* paid for them. *I* take any loss incurred. I should be able to let whoever I want live in MY house for whatever reason I want (BTW, I'm safe with the law, I've had blacks, unmarried couples, and single mothers among my tenants).
Would you let me run your blog? Then why should I have to let you live in MY house?
<< Yes we all live with tedious rules and regulations, but I think most would agree they exist for a purpose. >>
Yes, to control the people in a socialist society.
<< There is no room for those who wish to live a full and rewarding life in the here and now, it is all about heaven and hell. >>
I don't interfere with anyone living a full, rewarding life. I see Jared's post imploring you to trust Christ shook you up.
<< Sadly these people cannot be content and surround themselves with their own heaven bound brethren and live by their own religious ideology. Their religion teaches them to must spread and convert others. >>
You want to force me to let homosexuals live in MY house - but you're going to tell me that *I'M* the one who wants to force others to accept my beliefs?
<< If by truth, he means his form of religion, to live in fear of my God and fear and hatred of my fellow man...well I guess I have to admit I do not want that truth to have any meaning in my life. >>
I don't live in fear. I'm not even afraid of death (and if disagreement means hatred then you must hate me). My eternity has been sealed by the Lord Jesus Christ. One day you will have to kneel before Him in fear - if you do not receive Him as your Saviour.
We're all sinners and unqualified for a perfect heaven. Jesus paid our death penalty so we could get into heaven simply by accepting His payment. There's nothing to fear about that.
<< t.g. you are a crazy right wing religious nut. >>
What do you think flattery will accomplish?
<< How would renting to a homosexual make you incur a loss on your rental property? >>
It's MY house. I paid for it, and in one case, I LIVE in it. I should not be forced to have somebody living an immoral, unhealthy death-style living right in the same house as my family!
You intolerant Nazi bigots would force me to expose my family to have somebody ungodly living right in the same house as them 24/7, but I bet you would not let me preach the gospel to you for 15 minutes.
You unamerican socialists would dictate what I can do with my own property, but you would never allow me to violate your property. If you want to live in a socialist society, China, Korea, or Cuba will take you.
<< You right wing people that are so gung-ho about letting the free market trample on the rights of workers no longer believe in the free market when a gay guy can pay you market rate for your property. >>
Wait a minute - I'm a worker. What about MY rights? With my own property? How can you have more rights than me in my own house? You don't have ANY rights in my house except to get out or be treated as a trespasser. If I choose to take the financial hit to allow someone I choose to live in MY house, that's my decision.
<< What gets me is that you people don't realize that you are exactly the same as the fundamentalist Muslims that you denounce and make war on. >>
I'm not making war on anyone. I'm strongly against the attack on Iraq. We had the right to go after the perpetrators of 9-11, or any terrorist attack. We have no right to simply decide we want to attack because we don't like them.
t.g. I'd like to address a couple questions and points.
First off are you really flattered when you are called a "crazy right wing religious nut. " Is that really something that you want to be known as? Seriously, is that your goal? If so, what made you decide that this is what you wanted to be when you grow up?
It is interesting how you say that gays are "living an immoral, unhealthy death-style." That is just silly. Are you trying to be cute? In terms of living in the same house as your family, from your wording I assume you must have a duplex. I am not suggesting that you let anyone move in with you and your wife and kids. However if you are renting a property, be that in the same duplex or a house you own down the street, you should not be able to tell someone that just because they are not your religion or they do things differently than you that they are not allowed to have housing. Of course, in effect you can, you just tell them you are renting to someone else. I bet you have done this, and while there may be a law against this sort of discrimination, no one can actually force you to rent to someone. I highly doubt the police are going to come knock on your door because you didn't want Jim and George renting your house.
You call me an "intolerant Nazi bigot" but I don't think you know the definitions of these words. I'll run some past you quick so you can rethink that label. I pulled these off of dictionary.com.
in•tol•er•ant adj.
Not tolerant, especially:
1. Unwilling to tolerate differences in opinions, practices, or beliefs, especially religious beliefs.
2. Opposed to the inclusion or participation of those different from oneself, especially those of a different racial, ethnic, or social background.
3. Unable or unwilling to endure or support: intolerant of interruptions; a community intolerant of crime.
Na•zi n.
1. A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist.
big•ot n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Here we go.
I am tolerant of your religious views. I ask that you be tolerant of my non-religious views. Housing discrimination against a group of people would fall under the definition of intolerance.
Nazis engaged in widespread and systematic discrimination against groups of people. Nazis are/were intolerant of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and other ethnic groups. Nazis reportedly did not want these "degenerates" living near them or their white German Christian families. Nazis were responsible for the deaths of millions, primarily Jews, although it is well documented that homosexuals were also put to death in concentration camps under their regime, just for being homosexual. I do not suggest that you would advocate killing homosexuals, but I think that your point of view is much more similar to the Nazi worldview than my perspective is.
A bigot is one who is intolerant, and you have proven through your words that you are intolerant of gays. I find it perversely comical that you Christians have this persecution complex when you are the ones in power in most aspects of society in America today. Even though you control the White House, both Houses of Congress and soon to be the Supreme Court, somehow us powerful liberals are persecuting you. You should really look at things a bit more critically instead of letting the televangelists spoon feed you their rhetoric.
How could I stop you from preaching your gospel. If you think that we atheists do not hear that stuff day in and day out on the airwaves on billboards and in print, I wonder what country you are living in? I can’t turn on a radio or TV or read a newspaper in the US without getting your gospel. I don't find the gospel interesting, but it certainly is getting plenty of exposure. How is it that I could stop you from your preaching again?
You suggest I go live in a socialist country. Guess what? I lived in a socialist country for 4 years. The Netherlands is a wonderful country that is much more free than we are in the US. People in Holland have a higher quality of life than we enjoy in the USA. I would move back to the Netherlands again if given the chance, and I probably will in the coming years. If you are interested in talking about the benefits and drawbacks of moderate socialism vs. the corporate rule that we have here in the States, I would be happy to do so. For example the USA has more poverty and infant mortality than most other western nations.
You mention you are against the war in Iraq. Amen to that brother. I think we have found some common ground. I am sorry for assuming that you supported that debacle of the Bush administration. You seem to have some brains after all.
I am left wondering: Why is it that you think gays are so dangerous?
<< First off are you really flattered when you are called a "crazy right wing religious nut. " Is that really something that you want to be known as? Seriously, is that your goal? If so, what made you decide that this is what you wanted to be when you grow up? >>
When I grow up I'll let you know (you have to grow old, but you don't have to grow up!). Seriously, when a far-left, pinko, comsymp calls me such a name, I accept it with honor.
<< In terms of living in the same house as your family, from your wording I assume you must have a duplex. I am not suggesting that you let anyone move in with you and your wife and kids. However if you are renting a property, be that in the same duplex or a house you own down the street, you should not be able to tell someone that just because they are not your religion or they do things differently than you that they are not allowed to have housing. >>
I did not tell them they can't have housing. They can have housing the same way I acquired housing - BUY YOUR OWN. I should be able to tell anyone that they can't have MY house.
<< Of course, in effect you can, you just tell them you are renting to someone else. I bet you have done this >>
How much would you care to wager? Would a month's salary suffice?
<< You call me an "intolerant Nazi bigot" but I don't think you know the definitions of these words. I'll run some past you quick so you can rethink that label. I pulled these off of dictionary.com. >>
I called you that because those are the kind of names your crowd calls me, as evidenced above. You most certainly are an intolerant bigot. You are not tolerant of me living my own lifestyle, you want to force me to accept your lifestyle when it comes to my own home! I never demanded you do that for fundamental Christians.
<< Nazis engaged in widespread and systematic discrimination against groups of people. Nazis are/were intolerant of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and other ethnic groups. >>
It's also common knowledge now that many of the Brown Shirts were homosexual.
<< How could I stop you from preaching your gospel. >>
You couldn't stop me from preaching it in YOUR house? You must be against the 2nd amendment also. That's the issue, you want me to accept your lifestyle in MY house, so you should be willing to accept mine in YOUR house. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
<< If you think that we atheists do not hear that stuff day in and day out on the airwaves on billboards and in print, I wonder what country you are living in? I can’t turn on a radio or TV or read a newspaper in the US without getting your gospel. >>
You can always turn the station. There is much more smut on billboards than Bible, and I can't avoid billboards.
<< You suggest I go live in a socialist country. Guess what? I lived in a socialist country for 4 years. >>
I notice you returned from that socialist country. That's how wonderful it was.
<< The Netherlands is a wonderful country that is much more free than we are in the US. >>
By definition, socialism is less free, with more gov't control.
<< People in Holland have a higher quality of life than we enjoy in the USA. >>
Well, that probably doesn't apply to the ones they don't allow to live. Forced euthanasia is growing there. Yeah, I suppose if you kill off the elderly and infirm, you can claim a better quality of life.
<< For example the USA has more poverty and infant mortality than most other western nations. >>
The U.S. has vast more premature babies than other countries because our medical advances permit us to save younger infants. Since many more of our babies are preemies, of course the infant mortality rate is higher. Of course we could simply abort them all and then claim we have great child mortality rates.
<< You mention you are against the war in Iraq. Amen to that brother. I think we have found some common ground. I am sorry for assuming that you supported that debacle of the Bush administration. You seem to have some brains after all. >>
I am very much against Bush. He is a New World Order socialist masquerading as a conservative.
This exchange has also been posted on the blog of the two guys opposing Jared and I here - but they have removed our last few replies. Fortunately, they are still on the links archives, as well as here on my blog.
http://jspjbbphilly.blogspot.com/2005/09/dialogue-with-right-wing-christian.html
Be sure to click on the above link, because these two "tolerant" fellows, who insist I should be forced to let a sodomite live in my house, are cutting our replies from their blog. They are not so tolerant after all - they only want everyone else to be tolerant of them.
You will be able to find a needle in a haystack easier than you can find two bigger hypocrites than these guys.
Below I will include some of the exchange with Jared and I before they are able to cut it from their archives.
Jared wrote:
"Why is it that you think gays are so dangerous?"
The destruction of marriage as ordained by God. (One man one woman) Of course, the normalization of divorce, fornication, and adultery are also destructive to marriages.
The destructive nature of the behavior. (Suicide, AIDS, HIV, STDs, violence, etc)
The sinful act (Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:27) being normalized, corrupts the youth and society.
The acceptance of sodomy also leads to more sinful behavior. (Incest, Bestiality, Pedophilia)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1
Here's one they cut from their blog:
http://jspjbbphilly.blogspot.com/2005/09/dialogue-with-right-wing-christian.html
<< Jared, you are a parrot and you are not thinking about any of this logically. >>
Jared is not a parrot. I've seen him in person. He's 6'5". That's one huge parrot.
<< Your straw man argument about sodomy leading to incest, pedophilia and bestiality is also a no-brainer. There is no evidence of this and it this just your way of dehumanizing gays by lumping them in with child molesters etc. >>
Not quite. Have you ever heard of the Gay Rights Platform? It was sponsored by some 20 homosexual groups and read into the Congressional Record. It is accepted almost universally as *the* homosexual platform. It contains planks advocating Polygamy (#S8),
Prostitution (#S3), Incest (#S2), and Pedophilia (#S7).
If you disagree with such things as incest and pedophilia, then YOU need to join us in eradicating those things from the goals of homosexual advocacy groups. Otherwise, you share the guilt.
While homosexuals comprise only about 2% of the population (National Opinion Research Center, Journal of Sex Research), they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children. Six studies (www://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php) indicated between 22% and 40%.
<< According to your link to the 2003 CDC numbers, male to male sexual contact led to 440,887 cases of HIV transmission and heterosexual contact led to 149,989 cases. This shows that HIV/AIDS is an issue for both gays and straights. >>
Hardly. It shows nearly a 4 to 1 ratio of homosexuals contracting AIDS, despite the fact they are only a few% of the population. When 3% of the population are responsible for 75% of the people with AIDS, it certainly is a homosexual problem. And that's assuming none of the straights were lying to cover up activity they'd be embarrassed to confess. It also doesn't take into consideration that many of the straights got AIDS from things like blood transfusions which came from homosexuals.
<< Please don't disguise your prejudices as being based on fact. >>
Pot. Kettle. Black.
<< I don't want to talk to you anymore. >>
You want to force me to allow homosexuals to live in MY house, but after a few exchanges you don't even want to talk to us anymore? Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried to on purpose?
<< If your god exists certainly she will not approve of your efforts to dehumanize her children. >>
You're not a child of God unless you receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour.
Here's the other one those two "tolerant" ones cut:
http://jspjbbphilly.blogspot.com/2005/09/dialogue-with-right-wing-christian.html
<< First off are you really flattered when you are called a "crazy right wing religious nut. " Is that really something that you want to be known as? Seriously, is that your goal? If so, what made you decide that this is what you wanted to be when you grow up? >>
When I grow up I'll let you know (you have to grow old, but you don't have to grow up!). Seriously, when a far-left, pinko, comsymp calls me such a name, I accept it with honor.
<< In terms of living in the same house as your family, from your wording I assume you must have a duplex. I am not suggesting that you let anyone move in with you and your wife and kids. However if you are renting a property, be that in the same duplex or a house you own down the street, you should not be able to tell someone that just because they are not your religion or they do things differently than you that they are not allowed to have housing. >>
I did not tell them they can't have housing. They can have housing the same way I acquired housing - BUY YOUR OWN. I should be able to tell anyone that they can't have MY house.
<< Of course, in effect you can, you just tell them you are renting to someone else. I bet you have done this >>
How much would you care to wager? Would a month's salary suffice?
<< You call me an "intolerant Nazi bigot" but I don't think you know the definitions of these words. I'll run some past you quick so you can rethink that label. I pulled these off of dictionary.com. >>
I called you that because those are the kind of names your crowd calls me, as evidenced above. You most certainly are an intolerant bigot. You are not tolerant of me living my own lifestyle, you want to force me to accept your lifestyle when it comes to my own home! I never demanded you do that for fundamental Christians.
<< Nazis engaged in widespread and systematic discrimination against groups of people. Nazis are/were intolerant of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and other ethnic groups. >>
It's also common knowledge now that many of the Brown Shirts were homosexual.
<< How could I stop you from preaching your gospel. >>
You couldn't stop me from preaching it in YOUR house? You must be against the 2nd amendment also. That's the issue, you want me to accept your lifestyle in MY house, so you should be willing to accept mine in YOUR house. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
<< If you think that we atheists do not hear that stuff day in and day out on the airwaves on billboards and in print, I wonder what country you are living in? I can’t turn on a radio or TV or read a newspaper in the US without getting your gospel. >>
You can always turn the station. There is much more smut on billboards than Bible, and I can't avoid billboards.
<< You suggest I go live in a socialist country. Guess what? I lived in a socialist country for 4 years. >>
I notice you returned from that socialist country. That's how wonderful it was.
<< The Netherlands is a wonderful country that is much more free than we are in the US. >>
By definition, socialism is less free, with more gov't control.
<< People in Holland have a higher quality of life than we enjoy in the USA. >>
Well, that probably doesn't apply to the ones they don't allow to live. Forced euthanasia is growing there. Yeah, I suppose if you kill off the elderly and infirm, you can claim a better quality of life.
<< For example the USA has more poverty and infant mortality than most other western nations. >>
The U.S. has vast more premature babies than other countries because our medical advances permit us to save younger infants. Since many more of our babies are preemies, of course the infant mortality rate is higher. Of course we could simply abort them all and then claim we have great child mortality rates.
<< You mention you are against the war in Iraq. Amen to that brother. I think we have found some common ground. I am sorry for assuming that you supported that debacle of the Bush administration. You seem to have some brains after all. >>
I am very much against Bush. He is a New World Order socialist masquerading as a conservative.
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